600/800mm - 24" (12/1/16): at 375x; faint, fairly small, roundish, ~25" diameter, low surface brightness patch with only a weak concentration and no distinct core or zones in fairly poor seeing. The surface brightness appeared irregular, though. The extremely faint companion (VV 12c) at the end of the western arm was not seen. The galaxy is at the midpoint of a mag 13.7 star 1.5' SW and a mag 15 star 1.5' NE. It also forms the southern vertex of an equilateral triangle with a mag 10.7' 4.6' N and a mag 11.1 star 4.7' NE.