400/500mm - 17.5" (6/8/91): extremely faint, small, round, very low surface brightness, visible with averted vision only. Faintest of three with IC 4424 2' N and NGC 5619 3' WNW.

600/800mm - 24" (5/11/13): faint to fairly faint, low surface brightness (face-on spiral?), round, diffuse glow, very weak concentration, 24" diameter. Faintest in the KTG triplet with IC 4424 2.6' NNE and NGC 5619 3.2' WNW.